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Well. He cheated back.

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 tokyohsworld (original poster new member #85070) posted at 11:53 AM on Sunday, August 25th, 2024

So, I’m a WP.. but I guess I’m a BP now too.

4.5 months ago, in April; I had an emotional affair for about a week while I was manic and undiagnosed bipolar. I confessed to him and have been going to therapy, staying on medication, etc.

Reading affair websites, forums, books, etc. Putting my whole heart and soul into reconciliation.

Long story short, my partner and I have been working on reconciliation. We live in separate households as it was what my partner wanted.

A month into R, I discovered my partner had Tinder on his phone. I asked him about it and he said that he was using it to find someone to buy marijuana from. I formerly did this before my betrayal with an OK with BP. I believed him and I watched him delete the app.

I didn’t trust him all the way because a few years ago he was deep into a porn addiction and regularly lied to me.

After discovering Tinder, I asked him, "Are you talking to anybody?"

He was protective over his phone. He wouldn’t even let me touch it.

He told me no, and I asked every other week if he was. He was adamant on saying no. He even cussed me out and was being super defensive about that question.

I believed him but I felt something within me was wrong. This went on for several months. He has lied to me every single day for the past 3.5 months.. gaslit me, and manipulated me. For this long.

Today, after meeting up with him; I go on his phone and open Snapchat. I ask him who his best friends are. I see a girl who I’ve never seen him talk about. I ask who she is. He says it’s some random girl he met but doesn’t talk to. He opens the chat and scrolls up, and I see heart emotes. He quickly exits the chat.

I grab his phone , and open the chat again. I

I discover everything. He has been complimenting her and letting her open up about her feelings. BP has regularly shut me down when I talk about my feelings, even before my betrayal. He was complimenting this girl and I had to beg him to compliment me. He grabs the phone from me again. I tell him to block her NOW. He hesitates.

I feel my heart rip out of my chest.

I grabbed the phone again and blocked her.

I stared at him, mouth open, for a really long time. Rage building up inside my body. I begin to cry. The girl wasn’t even attractive. I am absolutely devastated. Ask him where he met her.. Tinder.

I ask him, have they ever met. He says no. I ask him why.

Reading the chats made me feel so nauseous. I begin to have a panic attack. I drop on the floor absolutely hysterical. He sits down next to me and rubs my arm, and says "I am.. sorry." I send several selfies to the girl of me crying. Telling her that he and I have been together for 3.5years, and that it is not her fault, to never message him again.

He tells me that after my betrayal he didn’t know what to do. That he didn’t know what to do or if it would work out between us. I ask him if I never found out, would you continue to lie?
He says, probably. I scoff. I cannot believe him right now.

I asked him, "So.. instead of talking to me, you went to someone else?" I tell him; "WTF KINDA LOGIC IS THAT?! That is exactly the logic that got us into this mess!”

I tell him that he’s been lying, gaslighting me, and manipulating me for the past 3.5 months. He tells me; "I guess.. you probably feel what I felt. I lied, to protect your feelings." Lying, just hurts.

He and I talk for a good 3 hours. I ask him why he would lie to me. That telling the lies is what hurts the most. He tells me he is hurt from my betrayal. I tell him that this is so much worse because he’s lied for so long. I trusted him 90% after his addiction. And it took 2 years to get there. Now I don’t trust him at all.

I tell him, "I forgive you." He winces.

"But that doesn’t make it okay. If this happens again, I’m sorry; but I just can’t do this anymore. I’ll have to walk away. This just isn’t okay.”

He apologizes again. He tells me he feels bad, guilty, and ashamed. I told him not to beat himself up over this. That, he isn’t a bad person. That he just messed up because he’s hurting so badly.

I asked him why he winced at me saying I grant him forgiveness… he says it’s because I forgave so easily and he still hasn’t forgiven me.

Life doesn’t feel real right now. I’m angry, hurt, disappointed. I can’t sleep.

[This message edited by tokyohsworld at 12:06 PM, Sunday, August 25th]

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SI Staff ( Moderator #10) posted at 5:51 PM on Sunday, August 25th, 2024

  Moving to General

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SI Staff ( Moderator #10) posted at 5:53 PM on Sunday, August 25th, 2024

Per forum guidelines Madhatters and/or present or former WS can not post in JFO. Moved to General.

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 12:31 PM on Monday, August 26th, 2024

Tokyo

Serious question: Do you think either of you has – at present – the emotional capacity of being in a relationship?

I mean this in the best of ways. I think we can all experience some situation or trauma that makes us less capable (and even incapable) of giving truly to someone else. A situation where our best option is possibly to focus on SELF healing rather than healing a relationship with someone else.
I suggest you seriously evaluate this relationship. You are living separately, both of you have wandered (in some way or another) outside the expectations of the relationship. Why try saving something that maybe neither of you is capable of maintaining?

Not saying it’s over. Not saying you two end it. But I am suggesting YOU truly evaluate WHY you want this. Why after nearly four years you are both behaving like you do, why you aren’t closer to living together, committing to each other... MAYBE neither of you is ready, or MAYBE this just isn’t the relationship you wish it were.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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SacredSoul33 ( member #83038) posted at 3:29 PM on Monday, August 26th, 2024

I tell him, "I forgive you." He winces.

"But that doesn’t make it okay. If this happens again, I’m sorry; but I just can’t do this anymore. I’ll have to walk away. This just isn’t okay."

He apologizes again. He tells me he feels bad, guilty, and ashamed. I told him not to beat himself up over this. That, he isn’t a bad person. That he just messed up because he’s hurting so badly.

I asked him why he winced at me saying I grant him forgiveness… he says it’s because I forgave so easily and he still hasn’t forgiven me.

It's entirely too soon to be talking about forgiveness. I did the same thing: I said that I had forgiven my H only a week after we began R, and my MC very directly said, "No, you haven't." I was taken aback, but he was right, and that gave me permission to feel all the feelings, including anger. You have lots and lots of feelings to process before you get to the part where you start thinking about forgiveness. It's 20 years later, and I've come down pretty firmly on the side of "some things just aren't forgivable, but I love who you are today."

I think what you really mean is that you're empathetic and you understand why he did what he did.

I hate to say this, but it could be that he winced because he's not finished talking with her and he doesn't want your forgiveness for something that he's going to continue. It could also be because he didn't tell you the truth about the extent of the relationship.

I really wish you hadn't sent those selfies. If I was your BFF, I'd hug you, then (figuratively) smack you for having done that and tell you to never give your power away like that ever again.

Also, I agree with what Bigger said.

Remove the "I want you to like me" sticker from your forehead and place it on the mirror, where it belongs. ~ Susan Jeffers

Your nervous system will always choose a familiar hell over an unfamiliar heaven.

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 11:21 PM on Monday, August 26th, 2024

No kids, no shared business, no shared house?

If so, hit that eject button.

No way coming back from madhatter situation (both of you cheating) is gonna be worth it for you guys.

Love is not a measure of capacity for pain you are willing to endure for your partner.

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