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I feel like d-day is immiment and have a tough decision to make

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annb ( member #22386) posted at 2:47 PM on Saturday, July 6th, 2024

I agree with other members, trust your gut.

I had a gut feeling about 8-9 months before I discovered WH affair.

My feeling was concerning a different co-worker than the one he actually had the affair with.

I wish I had followed my instincts, I was so busy with my job, school, and my family that I just brushed it off and didn't take the time to do a little digging.

It may be nothing, but there's a reason you are feeling uncomfortable right now.

Dig just a bit deeper. You may find the answer you need, positive or negative.

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InkHulk ( member #80400) posted at 3:18 PM on Saturday, July 6th, 2024

I do understand that advising "listen to your gut" is a helpful maxim often used here in the context of the infidelity support group that we are. But surely it is not a fundamental truth to be enshrined like Newton’s 4th law. There are limits to all things.
OP feels something. That certainly isn’t definitive proof his wife has cheated, regardless of the fact that many of us had a strong gut feeling before d-day. To emergent’s point, he has dug deep enough that if he’s wrong and this is nothing and the full extent of his surveillance is made known, his lawyer wife is going to react.
And to ending a relationship because of boundaries: maybe I’ve missed something on this thread but do we even know for sure there is any relationship of any kind? The VAR is inconclusive.
OP has now disclosed he has a previous touch point with infidelity in his past. I’d personally be really interested to understand what bearing that might have in his gut feelings, because this semi-omnipotent (yet inarticulate) gut just might be pointing him inward rather than outward.

People are more important than the relationships they are in.

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 soaringpenguin (original poster new member #84939) posted at 6:28 PM on Saturday, July 6th, 2024

OP has now disclosed he has a previous touch point with infidelity in his past. I’d personally be really interested to understand what bearing that might have in his gut feelings, because this semi-omnipotent (yet inarticulate) gut just might be pointing him inward rather than outward.

I owe it to myself and my marriage to explore this just as thoroughly as I am the possibility of her having an affair. Seeking IC locally in my community to start this process.

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InkHulk ( member #80400) posted at 7:53 PM on Saturday, July 6th, 2024

I owe it to myself and my marriage to explore this just as thoroughly as I am the possibility of her having an affair. Seeking IC locally in my community to start this process.

I applaud that. You have alluded to still carrying trauma. Have you fully dealt with your affair? Did you fully disclose, find your why’s, work to heal those parts of you? If you rugswept your own affair and now find yourself in a life inflection point of being middle aged with an unplanned pregnancy, any chance you might be subconsciously sabotaging your relationship? It’s something that is talked about as wayward justification for getting into an affair. I’m not accusing you of anything, just trying to throw out some alternatives of what an internal signal might mean.

I hope whatever this gut feeling for you is propels your life forward in a positive direction for you, OP.

People are more important than the relationships they are in.

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 12:57 PM on Monday, July 8th, 2024

Regarding the reliability of the "gut":
A prerequisite for ongoing participation on this site is that you have experienced infidelity. Therefore, the vast majority of us contributing have probably experienced the period of doubt and questioning before having our d-day where our "gut" feelings were confirmed.
Therefore, most of us here can firmly state that "our" gut was correct.
However, that does not that every gut-call for everybody else is correct, or even that the gut is a reliable sensor to confirm infidelity. What is missing from the equation is the number of spouses who had a gut-feeling that then proved wrong.
It’s like if you were to ask a group of 1000 kids from all over the world to draw a bear. I’m guessing 998 would draw a black or brown bear because that’s what they know. The two kids from the Arctic would draw a white bear and be perplexed about all the other pictures. Ask those two and in their experience all bears are white.
Ask us – and all gut-feelings turned out correct.

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Your last post rings a couple of bells.

I experienced infidelity in my first really serious relationship. A 5-year relationship with and was engaged to marry four weeks and six days before walking in on her and another man having sex. I left that relationship and went through the terrible months of pain and self-doubt and all that. About 18 months later I met my present wife and have been with her for over 30 years.
About 12-14 years into our relationship, I was convinced she was cheating, but didn’t have the smoking gun. I posted on infidelity sites (like this) and the overwhelming tone of the replies was that yes, she was definitely 100% cheating. Don’t recall a single voice suggesting I investigate better or that maybe this wasn’t cheating.
The "red flags" I had were issues like less intimacy, lots of time at work, irregular hours, arguments, time at the gym, changing wardrobes and hairstyle and whatever. Each item met with a flood of "yes – that is all the proof you need. A new perfume is a definite 100% indicator she’s cheating".

What got me thinking critically was when I saw a behavior defined as "irrefutable proof", and then when that behavior was reversed it was also "irrefutable proof" of cheating. Like... lack of intimacy is proof of cheating, but if she initiated intimacy it was also proof of cheating. New hairstyle was proof of cheating, while not taking personal care was also proof of cheating. I realized that there was no way to win with that sort of logic.
I went back to my police training, and after var in her car, tracing financial spendings and all that I realized our marriage was in trouble, but not due to emotional or physical infidelity with someone else. We had the typical issues of growing apart and not working as a team and I had to admit that a LARGE part of those issues were due to the distrust I displayed due to the infidelity I went through in the previous relationship. I dealt with that – I got professional help to deal with my PTSD from law enforcement and infidelity. We then found ways to improve our marriage – to grow closer. Resulting in what I would consider a very good, mutually beneficial and respectful relationship.

I have NEVER denied your wife MIGHT be having an affair. All I have said is that your evidence is thin, and that you should investigate for the TRUTH. That truth might be that she’s offering sex to anyone for free coffee or that she had sex at the conference and again at the office. Or it might be that she’s in the early stages of an EA (although considering your doubts about paternity that would be a very unique "EA" so directly after a sexual encounter leading to pregnancy). Or... it might be pent-up issues due to your past experiences...

What I will say – and quite forcefully – is that suggesting you divorce and automatically deduct she’s having an affair simply because your tummy is giving you gas is IMHO really bad advice.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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