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9 years later, I'm still a broken man. I've never shared my story with anyone so I'll do it here.

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joeboo ( member #31089) posted at 12:47 PM on Thursday, July 4th, 2024

Looking back on me shaking his hand and being friendly is almost as traumatic as the cheating itself. I must have looked like the most pathetic loser on the planet at that moment (his buddies were there too and probably all knew exactly what had gone on, and saw me being super friendly with him). The shame of that memory is unbearable for me. This is why I want the guy to see a different, more violent side of me.

My advice would be to forgive yourself for this moment. They were all cowards, every last one of them and you were a classy gentleman. For me, every last ounce of my ex-military ass wanted to destroy him. Now, I take solace in knowing I chose to let him live becuase it was the right thing to do. It's not being a cuckold, it's being a classy gentleman in the face of a coward. Something else of note, my fWW was the one that introduced me to him. The fact that yours tried to get you out of that situation gives me hope for you that even though she cheated, something inside of her wanted to protect you and with tears in my eyes I tell you that may be one of the gifts you are looking to find.

Now that I've gathered my composure... Stick with your plan to speak with IC. I truly believe much good will come from that. In the meantime, please accept my apologies for the trigger. Please accept my advice to forgive yourself for that moment speaking to the OM. It doesn't matter if he laughed it off or shit his pants, either way he was a coward not you. You walked away the bigger man and the better person. You let another man live today Tony and as far as I'm concerned that is about as tough as a guy can get.

Take care.

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 2:27 PM on Thursday, July 4th, 2024

I must have looked like the most pathetic loser on the planet at that moment (his buddies were there too…

First, no. You’re not right on this. Or to be more exact the only person on the planet who sees it that way is you. The problem is, your opinion is the only one that matters.

But there’s a more fundamental thing going on in your sentence. The underlying premise is that Who You Are is at least defined by other people. You look to other people to help define you, for you. We really don’t know who we are. We don’t know ourselves. Literally, our self.

We all tend to do it. This deep thing, wired into us as social animals, goes unexamined in most peoples lives.

Imagine for a second that in fact, you did know yourself. That you did have your own compass, and it always pointed north no matter which way the wind blew. Nobody else defined you, only you defined you. External opinions now are more like turbulence that makes the trip bumpy rather than steering currents that control your path.

In this case, assuming what you say about his buddies is true that they are laughing at you, why would it even matter? How could you see them as anything other than POS? And why would you care about the opinion of POS?

I actually don’t think anyone was laughing at you at all, but if you use that fact to rationalize away the pain you’re missing out on an opportunity to more deeply examine why it is you thought that way in the first place. That should be your point of attack.

If you look inward, you’ll see that an awful lot of things that we accept as truths are in fact false, yet they run our lives to an amazing extent. Once you know this, you can disarm them. Once you’ve done that, it will improve all aspects of your life.

From the Mary Oliver poem…

Someone I loved once gave me

a box full of darkness.

It took me years to understand

that this, too, was a gift.

[This message edited by HouseOfPlane at 6:00 PM, Thursday, July 4th]

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver

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1994 ( member #82615) posted at 8:38 PM on Thursday, July 4th, 2024

I must have looked like the most pathetic loser on the planet at that moment (his buddies were there too and probably all knew exactly what had gone on, and saw me being super friendly with him).

I'd bet his friends there actually did not think less of you. I'm ashamed to say I've actually been in this position before. A guy I knew was sleeping with the girlfriend of another friend of ours who seemed to have no idea. I saw them interact once and just felt dirty. It made me feel sympathetic for the boyfriend and led to a significant loss of respect for the guy I was with. I also felt real antipathy for the girlfriend. I didn't blast my friend as I should have and didn't warn the boyfriend. To this day it shames me that I didn't say anything.
I say this to say that most men understand at our core the damage that infidelity does. No one with any integrity wants to be involved on any level with that.
Your wife's POSOM is a coward and a punk and probably thought he looked cool, but I'd wager that unless he surrounded himself with real lowlifes, they were embarrassed for him and sympathized with you. If this guy came down with some disease that prevented him from ever having sex again, I'd bet most of them would silently think "Well, you DID deserve it..."
Stay strong.

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BOAZ367 ( member #82836) posted at 2:44 AM on Monday, July 8th, 2024

Tony, my apologies for taking so long to comment.

We have a very similar story. My WW had an affair with her boss 2 years into our marraige. She confessed to me and told her boss "no more". I was devastated, couldn't speak pretty much froze. We rug swept the whole thing which I don't recommend. Neither of us told anyone. I tried a couple of times to talk to my father in law, brother in laws but choked every time.

She wanted the the whole affair behind, I didn't know at the time it was necessary for me to talk and process the pain.

Our stories diverge here. You are at 9 years, I'm at 30 plus. I'm glad to see that you are seeking professional help. You definitely are in PTSD. Me too along with a bunch of first responder issue's. I found a really good counselor a little over a year ago trained ininfidelity trauma and she has given me tools to deal with the mind movies and triggers.

I didn't mention I learned of my daughter being betrayed by her husband which brought me back to dday. Raw emotions mind movies back like it was yesterday.

If your first counselor doesn't work out. Get another and keep going till you get the help you need.

Don't suffer in silence the rest of your life. We too have wonderful children and now grand children.

I've beat myself up for not being stronger in the beginning thinking I should have walked away and let her explain to everyone why.

But my kids and beautiful little grandchildren with their bright smiles and unconditional love wouldn't be here. The infidelity sucks, not having the full story sucks, but these wonderful little people make up for it. Ps WW has been ok to me, the best mom anyone could describe and even better grandmother

BOAZ367

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rambler ( member #43747) posted at 4:29 AM on Monday, July 8th, 2024

Tony,

Do not let OM win. You are giving headspace to someone who does not deserve it . No need to go after him, guys like him tend to f up their own life. Do not do MC. Get your own help. Work on youself. Find things that make you happy.

making it through

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 tonygameel (original poster new member #84981) posted at 4:01 AM on Saturday, July 13th, 2024

Posted an update here: https://www.survivinginfidelity.com/topics/663146/trying-to-understand-the-psychology-of-what-im-going-through/

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