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 DiddlyD (original poster new member #80596) posted at 7:31 AM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

So after 17.5 years of marriage, my wife thought I was having an affair. Does she confront me? NO. Why? Because she didn't want the truth.
Was I having an affair? No. Did I ever? NO.
So what happened......
She decides based on our lack of sex and her all-knowing wisdom to go online, find a typical jerk guy (also married) and have a 6 month affair.
I only found out because dipshit left his phone out and was acting strange. His wife looked at his phone and saw the Kik app. She went through the phone and there it was. Pic exchanges, porn exchanges, conversations and porn gifs.
So after telling my wife disguised as him that his wife knows about the affair, my wife panicked and told me. (Brilliant on her part)
She didn't tell me because she was sorry, but because she didn't want everyone to find out. You see we were going on a group vacation with friends and she was afraid I'd find out via a phone call on vacation. (Self preservation)
It's been over a year and I know almost every detail of the affair. The 1st time at the hotel. The next 2 in my SUV (classy I know).
I guess I'm here to talk and see if there's any advice. You see the only 4 people that know about the affair are me, my wife, the jerk, and his wife.
To be honest, I'm not sure why I stayed. I did, do and will always love my wife, and my kids are my everything. I love my life and what we built. However, the anger is still there and the facts of it all don't go away. It will NEVER be the same obviously and I have changed as a person because of it.

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Butforthegrace ( member #63264) posted at 1:06 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

Hello my friend. I'm sorry you find yourself a part of this club that nobody wants to join.

There is a sort of standard set of advice points often given to newly minted BH's who appear here. I'll get to some of them, and let other posters add to the list. But let me address one point first, out of order. Your WW didn't fuck another man because she thought you had or were having an affair. Have you heard the word "backronym"? That's a linguistic slang term that describes people creating acronyms in a false effort to explain the roots of a slang word, such as a curse word. "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" is possibly the most famous. The word "fuck" has been in use in the English (and related) language(s) for centuries, evolving from Middle English, Old English, and Germanic predecessor variants. In fact, other than WWII-era military coinage (i.e. "Fubar"), almost no slang ever evolves from an acronym. The "backronym" of "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" is completely false, a bit of adolescent humor with zero roots in reality.

Similar with your WW's explanation of why she decided to arrogate the right to decide that her half of your marriage would be a secret, one-sided open marriage. That the part of her vows where she made a solemn promise in front of God and family to foresake all others until death, she had her fingers crossed secretly behind her back when she looked you in the eye at the altar and made that promise to you.

The reality is that she did it because she wanted to. She wanted to feel another man's dick inside of her, and therefore she actively sought this out and went for it, only stopping because she was caught. Now, she's inventing a "backronym" explanation in an effort to bully and browbeat you into swallowing your pride and shutting TFU, which sounds, based on your post, as if it's working.

It won't work for long, my friend. I would suggest you spend some time reading other threads here. You'll find that what you are doing right now is a classic case of rug sweeping. That never ends well. The anger and the bile from being cheated is sitting in your gut, rotting you away from the inside, Exhibit A being the fact that a year later, in the middle of the night, you found this place, created an account, and posted what I hear as a cri du coeur in the wilderness, seeking input from others who have been through the crucible of infidelity.

First things first. A year after DDay, that's just a flash in the pan in terms of your healing. Even if you left her and met somebody wonderful and kind and healing, it could be years. However, white knuckling it and forcing yourself to remain in a broken marriage with an unrepentant cheating wife who, I gather, has done zero work to help heal the trauma, that, my friend, is your own private Hell. To be clear, you are choosing it, but it's Hell nonetheless.

Typical advice for men in the wake of Dday: hydrate, exercise as much as you can, lay off the booze. Take care of yourself. Get yourself tested for STD's and require your WW to do the same. Tell the OBW you're doing so and ask her to confirm that the AP has done this and has gotten negative results.

In the meantime, spend some time pondering this koan. You say:

To be honest, I'm not sure why I stayed. I did, do and will always love my wife, and my kids are my everything. I love my life and what we built. However, the anger is still there and the facts of it all don't go away.

Consider what you know about your WW. Specifically, you know that she is the kind of person who will secretly decide that she wants sex with another man outside of the marriage, so she will seek this out and pursue it, all while lying to you and deceiving you. To carry on a LTA of this nature, she must have invested a ton of energy and imagination. She must have told you hundreds of individual lies about where she was going and what she was doing.

If you were a single man, dating her, and you learned that she had done this to a prior boyfriend, you'd be concerned. You would have learned something about her character as a human: that she is disloyal, deceitful, and dishonest, on a whim. When it suits her. Marriage with parenthood is a giant undertaking and responsibility. Would you go to war with a companion soldier who had those personality traits? Why on earth would you choose to be married to that? Exhibit A: she doesn't want her friends or anybody to know the truth about her personality and her choices. She is still actively lying to the world about who she is and what she does to those who trust and rely on her. Holding out a false front. Why would you enable that?

More to the point: why didn't your WW choose to invest that same level and degree of time, energy, and imagination into fixing your marriage and spicing up your sex life? You say, "based on our lack of sex". I take it that your marital sex life was in a low. This is common for married people with children. Sexual activity ebbs and flows over the years. Committed spouses who are concerned about this take action and invest energy into revitalizing their marriage. Fixing it. Not cheating.

You should buy and read the book "How to Help Your Spouse Heal from Your Affair" by Linda MacDonald. It's considered sort of the Bible of affair healing here on SI (and most other infidelity forums). The book is written for wayward spouses, but it's useful for BH's as well. If your WW has even an ounce of concern for your marriage, she will read it and do everything it suggests.

Which leads me to another point. What your post does not discuss, at all, is the work that your WW has been doing to heal this. I'll assume for now that this omission is because your WW is in fact not doing any work to fix this. Rather, she's browbeating you to rug-sweep it. That is the worst possible response, both by the WW and the BH. It means, as a practical matter, that although she may not currently be fucking Mr. Goodbar, the affair is essentially still alive within your marriage.

Cheating 101: the cheating, lying spouse has a character flaw, one that leads her to lie to her husband and seek out another man's dick rather than try to honor her vows and improve her marriage. Your marriage simply cannot work unless she fixes that flaw. She needs IC. She needs to figure out what is broken in her moral compass and repair it, make herself into a trustworthy person (which she is not at present). After she does that, you then decide whether you wise to be married to that new person. For now, at present, you aren't married in any spiritual way, at all.

Stay away from MC (marital counseling) unless and until she does this. It's a waste of time. Worse, most MC's are charlatans who know nothing about the trauma of infidelity. Most of them push an agenda of rug-sweeping and blame-shifting.

Finally, expose. Cockroaches scatter when the lights come on. Why would you enable your WW to continue lying to the world about the actual person she really is? At least find a couple of trusted friends and tell them. And her parents ought to know as well.

My personal advice to you. You say you were married about 17.5 years when she started her 6-month affair. That means married about 18 years on your Dday, which was about a year ago. Nearly 20 years. If you guys married between about ages 25-30, which is common, that puts you south of age 50 today. I reckon your kids are in their teens.

As an aside, a wife cheating when kids reach the teens, that's utterly cliche. As the kids mature and no longer need the "little kid" type of mothering, and as middle age advances, some women experience an existential crisis over notions of losing their youth, etc. Most functional adults realize this is a normal passage of life for everybody and they invest in their marriage, knowing that is the ship that will take them into old age. People with messed up value systems seek out other sexual partners in a pathetic and desperate attempt to reclaim fading youth, find excitement that they fear is waning. I reckon your WW's affair is a cheap and tawdry and cliche as most are. In that way, she's not even a little bit special. Rather pathetic in fact. Bottom line, a woman of a certain age who confirms that, in her core, she's a disloyal individual, a liar and a cheater.

Meantime, there is you. The trauma a man feels from a WW's sexual infidelity is real. Feelings of sexual humiliation and emasculation, etc. You haven't mentioned whether you and your WW had a period of HB, so I'll assume you didn't. Even if she does all the work, exposes herself to her public, fixes her broken moral compass, etc., even then, sometimes the trauma felt by a man when a wife enthusiastically jumps on another man's dick and returns over and over for it, sometimes that trauma is just too much to allow the marriage to function. There's no shame in that. Most marriages end in divorce after infidelity, as they should. It is legitimate to take the position that she divorced you when she engaged in her affair.

You need to consider this. You're not too young to start over. I have a friend who divorced recently around age 60. My friend, for men of our age, if you're solvent and employed and your junk still works like normal, it's a buyer's market out there for divorced men. In my case, my cheating ex left me for the AP. At the time I was utterly crushed. I felt as if the life and breath were sucked out of both my body and soul. But eventually I picked myself up, dusted myself off, and started putting one foot in front of the other. Let me tell you, my friend: the first time you have sex with somebody new, somebody who wants sex with you just for sex, the feeling is more awesome than words can describe. Like the biggest, coolest drink of water to a man who is almost dead of thirst.

As to the kids, they'll be fine. Millions of kids grow up with divorced parents and live happy, fruitful lives. In fact, modeling a marriage for them like the one you have now, built on white knuckles and resentment, that's doing them a disservice. Do you really want your kids growing up thinking that your current marriage is the model they should strive for?

Also, divorcing before they're out of high school is way better than doing it when they're 18 or 19 or 20 and fledging frm the nest. Over and over we hear from young people whose parents divorce occurs during that period of 18-21, and it's awful, because suddenly they have no home to return to. It's as if they've jumped out of the airplane, but somebody cut their parachute away from them. Do it before they reach that phase, and throw yourself body and soul into being the best shared custody father the world has seen. As teens, they have a lot of say in terms of which parent they stay with. Your "win" in that scenario is that your kids prefer staying with you and do it most of the time.

I wish you luck, my friend.

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"The wicked man flees when no one chases."

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Butforthegrace ( member #63264) posted at 1:09 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

Double post. Sorry.

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 1:21 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

What specifically is your wife doing to help you heal and repair the damage she caused ?

If nothing, that is terrible. You won’t heal and coukd remain resentful.

Have you considered professional counseling? It could help you tremendously. I know my counselor saved my sanity during the A. And I credit him for keeping us together b/c I had every intention of D my H.

We’ve been R for 9 years and we are very happily R. It took work and commitment but we have a better Marriage in some ways.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 10 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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Trdd ( member #65989) posted at 1:31 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

Please tell us more about what she is doing post d day. You said she wasn't sorry, is that a consistent behavior that is still there or just your reaction to why she confessed before the trip?

A year out it is normal to either have divorced or still be wondering if you should divorce. R takes time, healing takes time. But as Butforthegrace said, rugsweeping will not get you there. It will come back and bite you. I partially rugswept and issues came back well over a decade later, not new infidelity but my emotions about what happened because part of it was never dealt with appropriately.

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BigMammaJamma ( member #65954) posted at 3:03 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

"I thought you were having an affair" is such a load of bullshit. So stupid, it is almost like she came up that with that AFTER the affair and was scrambling to come up with something that would justify her being a really shitty person. What has she done to actively address her issues since D-Day? Time heals wounds, but it will not heal your marriage unless both parties are actively working towards it. "Whoops, I thought you were cheating on me" is not acceptable and you will not be able to move forward until she understands why she was able to give herself permission to betray you. How TF are you supposed to have any confidence that it won't happen again? She doesn't feel safe to you and it is because SHE IS NOT. Now that isn't to say she can't become safe, but that takes A LOT of work. Is she ready to put as much effort into fixing the damage her selfish choices cause as she put into her affair?

When I was a freshly minted BS, I would read "it takes hard work from both partners" and that really confused me. What exactly is the hard work, what does that even look like? Well for the Betrayed, they have the hard work of going through the painful healing process, reconnecting with a person who betrayed them and allowing themselves to be vulnerable again. The work for the wayward is literally overhauling their whole character. They have to figure out WHY they were able to put their whole family in jeopardy for a cheap affair. The need to understand what is broken and why they were able to make such damaging hurtful decisions that impacted those they purportedly love. Then they have to work to fix it and become a safe partner all while helping the betrayed through their pain. They have to face the ugly person they have become and spent time convincing themselves didn't exist. It really is difficult for both the betrayed and the wayward, and some folks just don't have it in them.

Keep posting here, we know what you are going through. You are among friends.

Me- born in 1984Him- born in 1979We both have 2 kids from previous marriages and we share a four year old. I might be a BS, but at this point, I don't know if I'll ever know.

Update: As of 5/8/2020, my WH confirmed I belong in this club

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 DiddlyD (original poster new member #80596) posted at 6:08 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

Thanks everyone for your advice and direction.
To answer a few questions or address a few comments, my wife and I have truly been working hard to repair the mess she caused. We did see a marriage counselor in the beginning but we both agreed it wasn't for us. We have identified a lot of issues that led to this and by no means have I given her the understanding but we are moving forward. Some of her reasons, I call them excuses, is that she didn't feel wanted. She felt neglected and also thought I was having an affair.
You see she saw a conversation on IG. A woman reached out and told me I was handsome. We engaged in a conversation that was meaningless and my wife saw it and ran with it.
Full disclosure is, I felt neglected as well. Since my kids were born I was 2nd fiddle. I get it and accepted it. Kids do come first. However I became invisible. As it turns out she thought the same. We took each other for granted and have realized that.
Over time, she believed I didn't like her. From my point of view I have done everything I could to show her I love her. The random flowers for no reason, the flirty pinch on the butt, the constant work around the house to make our lives better. What she saw was a husband that didn't help with dinner and sat around on his phone. Ya see as I sat by myself day after day while she worked in her home office and my kids were out with friends, there I sat. Lonely and bored in front of the TV with my phone in hand. Like I said we've identified alot of the issues that led to this and we work on them daily.
To address her behavior post D-Day...
She has shown remorse to a level I didn't think a cheater would. She has done everything to assure me it will never happen again and we have even recaptured a lot of what we loved about each other.
Do I believe she'll never do this again? I do.
And quite honestly I wouldn't even care. I have been broken and I'm trying to repair me. What I do know is, when it comes to us, it's different.
I'm still a good friend, a good husband and a good father but the constant black cloud that is this affair hangs over me, even a year later. I'm angry at times and every day there is some reminder. Good days can now turn into a chore. Bad days at times get worse.
I don't know how to overcome that aspect of it all but if and when that day comes, I feel like I will be okay.
I guess I'm just hoping that time will heal all wounds like a lot of people on here say.

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 6:38 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

You were in the same marriage with the same issues and you did not cheat. She was on Kik. That is a cheaters paradise. This woman was out trolling and found someone. If she had fallen in love with a coworker or someone she saw on a regular basis that might make sense but she went after sex. Period.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 7:34 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

No. Just no. The only person who should be working on why this happened is her. Hint..it has NOTHING to do with you,or anything you did,or didn't do. Nope.

All she has done is effectively blame you for her behavior. And you've bought it.

A BS often wants to believe it's their fault,because then they think they can control it from happening again.

She had a whole lot of options. If she wasn't happy,she could have come to you. She could have suggested MC. She could have filed for divorce. Instead she chose to cheat. That's entirely her fault.

Also..the "I thought you were cheating," is right out of the cheaters handbook.

Did you actually speak to his wife, to make sure she knows? Because with the bullshit your wife has sold you,it wouldn't be surprising if she told you because of some other reason.

What work has she done on herself to become a safe partner?

She's not remorseful. A remorseful WS doesn't blame the bs for their behavior.

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And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
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SnowToArmPits ( member #50943) posted at 7:50 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

Hi OP, sorry you're here.

Do I believe she'll never do this again? I do.


Careful here mate. Years of stories from men just like you on SI show that wives often cheat again. And in your wife's case, as HellFire points out, she's blameshifted a lot of this onto you. Makes it easier for her to justify cheating some more.

What your wife did was a really shitty thing. Selfish, cruel. Risked her children's happy home with a divorce.

There's a side to your wife that is pretty ugly, sorry to say that.

STD tests for the both of you. Talk to the other man's wife, get the real lowdown what happened and make an ally to stop your two randy spouses from hooking up again.

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HalfTime2017 ( member #64366) posted at 9:20 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

She was and still is gaslighting the crap out of you. And the reason you are still upset is for a couple of reasons. First, its been about a year for you, so its still pretty new. You have to let time work its magic. The other reason, and I suspect is the main reason is b/c you're kind of rugsweeping things. Yes maybe she has done some work, and become a better person than what she was prior, but the person prior cheated, so she's starting from a low point.

If you're not sure why you stayed, but say you love her and always will, I suggest going to see an IC. Keep in mind that since you're only 1 yr out, things are still pretty early. It takes years to get over this shit.

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Butforthegrace ( member #63264) posted at 9:28 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

she didn't feel wanted. She felt neglected

I would urge you to read here at length. This is so pathetically cliche and vapid, it would be laughable if it weren't so disgusting. Virtually every mid-life-crisis cheating wife who sought out the pleasure of another man's dick says, after the fact, that she "didn't feel wanted", that she "felt neglected".

It's like me telling my wife I feel 6 feet tall. In fact I'm a short man. I might convince myself falsely that I feel tall, maybe with beer goggles to get in a fight in a bar, but objective reality is that I'm a short man. Your WW's objective reality was that she had a faithful, loving husband at home. Her subjective reality was that she didn't want to see you as a faithful, loving husband, because she wanted to go on Kik and troll for another man. She chose to synthesize the baseless belief that she was unwanted and neglected to justify her decision to fuck another man. Nobody wants to be the villain in her own internal narrative. To justify lying and cheating, she had to create a make-believe reason.

Full disclosure is, I felt neglected as well. Since my kids were born I was 2nd fiddle. I get it and accepted it. Kids do come first. However I became invisible. ... Ya see as I sat by myself day after day while she worked in her home office and my kids were out with friends, there I sat. Lonely and bored in front of the TV with my phone in hand.

Here's the point: you didn't choose to cheat. You didn't manufacture a synthetic construct in your imagination to convince yourself that it was okay to see the pleasure of another woman. You saw the reality of your marriage, recognized your wife as the flawed human that each of us is, and you remained true to your vows. When you said "for better or worse," you meant both the "better" part and the "worse" part. Your WW didn't.

And quite honestly I wouldn't even care. I have been broken and I'm trying to repair me. What I do know is, when it comes to us, it's different. I'm still a good friend, a good husband and a good father but the constant black cloud that is this affair hangs over me, even a year later. I'm angry at times and every day there is some reminder. Good days can now turn into a chore. Bad days at times get worse.

This is why most cheating ends in divorce. Around here we use the phrase "shit sandwich". While you were being a faithful husband, your WW made you a shit sandwich and shoved it in your mouth. What she did was truly a shitty thing to do, and she did it because there is a part of her that is a shitty person, who does shitty things, including feeding a shit sandwich to her unwitting husband.

The reality is that infidelity causes trauma, and often the trauma is too great to overcome in a manner that enables the marriage to be successful.

I don't know how to overcome that aspect of it all but if and when that day comes, I feel like I will be okay.

I guess I'm just hoping that time will heal all wounds like a lot of people on here say.

Buy the MacDonald book referenced above. Read it. Ask your WW to read it, learn it, and live it. If there is a path, that book gives you the map.

The reason you're still feeling angry is because you know in your heart of hearts that your WW is manipulating you into a false narrative where you being neglectful pushed her onto another man's dick. That's complete bullshit, but it's a classic rug-sweeping WW's gambit.

R only works if she owns her shit. She made wicked choices based on synthetic reasons that she created from whole cloth to justify her choices. She hurt you terribly in the process. Every ounce of energy and imagination that she invested into screwing another man, she should have instead directed that into fixing the marriage. It is crap of her to now ask you to invest in fixing the marriage she broke and, in so doing, accept the fiction that you are responsible for the fact that she decided to have sex with another man. It's a completely false narrative.

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Trdd ( member #65989) posted at 10:33 PM on Wednesday, August 17th, 2022

Butforthegrace, here at SI you are of significant stature. At least 6'5" or more. 👍

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 DiddlyD (original poster new member #80596) posted at 12:41 AM on Thursday, August 18th, 2022

Thanks again people. To add to earlier.
Yes, I've spoke to the jerkoff's wife in detail. She didn't want the details of the affair but saw enough on the Kik app to know it all. And we didn't compare notes but we talked in depth. He's just that typical guy who's a cheater. We all know them.
Just so you know, my wife actually met the jerk on a dating app and then he suggested moving the conversation to Kik. Either way, yes, she did go seek out dick. She convinced herself a married man was the way to go so she wouldn't get caught. (She didn't take into effect that she would ruin another person's life too) And yes, I believe it would have continued if not for him being an idiot and leaving his phone open.
None of that changes anything.
Anyway, after a month or two, the Jerks wife and I decided that us talking wasn't good for either of us or the healing process. (Although I did tell her we should make it even and do the same thing together)
As far as STDs, my wife was tested for everything. I believe the jerk was made to be tested as well but honestly, that's not my issue. No STDs.
I get what everyone has said here but it's not about my wife anymore. It's about me returning to me.
Trust me when I say I'm not pushing anything under the rug. It's all out there between us. We have battled and talked, rationalized and planned.
I know she did me shitty and she knows it too. The fact is there's nothing we can do to change what happened. However, I need to get past it for a healthy life. I choose to stay bc I love my kids and my wife and what we built together. I'm not about to move on and lose everything. We've discussed what divorce/separation looks like. We don't like it. Yes we can both move on with other people. So what. We're both good looking enough to be wanted. So what.
I said earlier that I don't care if she cheats again. I truly mean that. She hates when I say it bc she knows I'm committed to making this work. She's 1 and done. She f'ed up royally and I'm going to move past it. She knows if it does happen again, I'm out.
I guess I just want to know when does it end. When and how do I rid myself of all the reminders and move past the anger.
I'm just having a bad time doing it but I have had some incredible times in the past year.

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src9043 ( member #75367) posted at 1:10 AM on Thursday, August 18th, 2022

Every BS is different. Your wife did you terribly wrong and you know it. The affair is 100% on her. There are a myriad of things your wife can do to help you heal. I don't know if she is doing them. Others have explained what she should be doing. Is it enough so that you sufficiently heal? Certainly, one year out is not that long of a time span to expect sufficient healing. The standard given on SI by those who know better than me is 3 to 5 years. Six years out from my ex-WW's first affair and she was simply dead to me. I was white-knuckling the marriage. But my ex-WW did nothing to help me heal. In fact, she cheated again and that was that. Would I have felt differently about her if she showed true remorse and worked 100% to help me heal? Honestly, I don't know. I probably would still be white-knuckling it decades later. But that is me, not you.

Unfortunately, you don't know if you can sufficiently heal. If you have hardly healed five years out, you may wish to reassess your commitment to the marriage. It is no way to live with someone if you find yourself white-knuckling it to the end.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 1:55 AM on Thursday, August 18th, 2022

It takes 3 to 5 years to heal from infidelity. It just does.

And that's with a truly remorseful WS who is doing the work to become a safe partner.

She's not a safe partner because she doesn't accept full responsibility for the affair. Her reasons are bullshit. That it's been a year,and she still blames you,proves no work has been done.

You will be able to move on,once you have a partner who is safe.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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fareast ( Moderator #61555) posted at 2:48 AM on Thursday, August 18th, 2022

Please read in the healing library and the pinned threads in jfo. Lots of good info here. That four letter word: time. For me, I decided to go all in after about 2 1/2 years. There will always be a scar on your M, but scars fade with time in my experience. My W was remorseful and worked on herself and weaknesses which helped rebuild trust. Eventually I was open to appreciating the new memories we built as we recovered and not immersed in the hurt. It takes time and work.

Being betrayed as you are is an emotional trauma. It is not uncommon for BS to suffer a form of PTSD. So don’t underestimate what you have gone through. Get IC if you can to help process the trauma. Always value yourself.

Just IMO, but your WW will need to come to terms with her brokenness and demonstrate by her actions that she values your M and empathizes with your pain that she caused. This includes acknowledging that nothing you did or didn’t do in your M caused her to cheat. Millions of people every day feel ignored, disconnected, and unloved in their M and never cheat. Why? Because they made a solemn vow to be faithful. Your M didn’t fail. Your WW failed in her commitment and devotion to you that she promised. Accept no blame. Accept no justifications or rationalizations for her cheating. There is no justification. She has to deal with how she could betray you, and her own stated values. If she tackles this head on without defensiveness this will also help you.

Good luck.

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goalong ( member #57352) posted at 3:31 AM on Thursday, August 18th, 2022

We've discussed what divorce/separation looks like. We don't like it

This is a compromise. That is why you feel angry from time to time. This state of mind only harm you both mentally and physically. Try to get it over like by seeing a councilor. Also check out what Tenzin Palmo Jetsunma says about love and attachment in YOU tube. Working out also help. You said you sit in front of TV a lot. Are you depressed? Do your other things like job even better. Keeping the head up in face of adversity is sexy

I think you tried to avoid this feeling that you compromised by having a affair with OBS.

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Butforthegrace ( member #63264) posted at 3:58 AM on Thursday, August 18th, 2022

I guess I just want to know when does it end. When and how do I rid myself of all the reminders and move past the anger.

The answer is: (a) never, and (b) when it ends.

What I mean by that:

(a) If you stay married, the affair is a permanent plus one in your marriage, one that you didn't invite in, but your WW did. No matter how much a model remorseful wW she may be, the A and the AP will stand in the corner like an empty suit of armor in a museum. It never ends. R works where the married couple acknowledges its presence and learns to live with it. Gradually, over time, it will be buried behind other artifacts of other marital events, but you will at least have glimpses of it -- triggers -- your whole life.

(b) You move past the anger when you feel in your heart you got a fair shake. For every man that's different. For example, for some men, their WW invested way more sexual brio to the A and the AP than she did with the BH. In those cases, she needs to inject sexual brio, times a million, into the marriage, for years, to get past the anger. For other men, they wish they had the sexual escapde their wife arrogated to herself. I've actually seen threads where the WW organized a FFM threesome, or an escort/sexual surrogate, for the BH, so that the BH himself can enjoy some extramarital sexual fun. The details matter and they are personal and unique.

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 DiddlyD (original poster new member #80596) posted at 4:38 AM on Thursday, August 18th, 2022

BUTFORTHEGRACE

Thank you! As you eluded to, we have talked about the A and we acknowledge it is apart of us now. Of course she hates when I bring it up or want to talk about it but she is open to doing whatever I need to do to get past this. It's funny because as you indicated she has told me to have sex with someone else. She has offered to have a 3some if I thought it would help. I feel she truly does want me to just get past it and somehow be at ease. And I think it's for the right reasons. Not that I'll ever forget it, but I just want to get back to some sense of normalcy within our marriage.
Trust me when I tell you, I'd love to do all that. Damn, I want to have an affair with the Jerks wife so they both know how it feels.
Fortunately or unfortunately, that's not who I am. I refuse to compromise who I am and my integrity. The problem as it stands is; I'm just angry
P.S. I love your insight as well as everyone else's

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