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Sorting through the lies for a second time

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 jboogie2015 (original poster new member #83917) posted at 12:48 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2023

Long story short: Husband of 16yrs ( 42yo) ended up having an emotional affair with 19yo coworker in 2019-2020. I was blindsided. I am still not sure it was just an emotional affair, but I do know she had a boyfriend who played college baseball. I mean, my husband who is essentially mute, was having 30 min phone calls with this girl after work, after being at work with her all day. Worst part is that his work was only a 6 minute drive, so he would call her, drive home, and then sit in driveway talking to her for another 20 minutes while I struggled putting my 2yo and 4yo to bed. I only found out because she called him at 2am, I picked up and then she hung up. So I asked him who it was and he said just a friend from work. Next day, I combed through phone bills and found lengthy phone calls going back over a year. He would even take out the trash and call her. I never had any inclination something was going on. It took a month of nightly interrogations to get a closer semblance of the full story. I sent girl’s boyfriend a message on Instagram but I never heard back. We tried therapy. He wasn't open to process, only lasted for 3 sessions before it became just me and therapist for another 5 months. We have two small kids and it was COVID with nowhere to go, so somehow we pushed through. I did tell my mom and brother, and although they were both equally upset for me, my mom really pushed for me to stay with him. He claims nothing physical ever happened, and to be fair, he was always around, but the emotional bit feels worse, that it was happening right under my nose. He says it will never happen again!

Fast forward to May 2022. He's getting late night texts from woman(25yo), a new (pretty and blonde) server who works at restaurant where he is manager. She is complaining to him about owners using expletives. Innocent enough, but immediately I felt she was far too comfortable in convo to somebody who is supposed to be her "boss," complainining about his bosses/the owners of restaurant. I questioned why he needed her number in his phone since he doesn't do scheduling. He said he asked for her phone number when everyone was exchanging numbers because he wanted to know where everyone would be later ( in February when she first started working there). I was conveniently out of town with kids. He normally doesn't go out. I said he didn't need to ask for her number when three of his buddies were also there. He could have just texted them to catch up at the bars.
Due to my rage with the previous incident, I immediately was upset and made him go stay at a friend's house. We somehow mended things, with me saying he needs to put up boundaries with his coworkers. He doesn't need to be hanging out with 22 yo college kids at his big old age, especially girls, and especially girls that he works with and technically has a power differential with ( HR anyone?).

Cut to June 2023, I’m at Disney with kids and my nephews. He usually texts me at night, even though I’m a few hours ahead. We FaceTime in morning, I casually joked, "too busy to text me back last night?" He said he was tired, I think nothing of it.
Later in day, I tried to use CC and had a fraud warning, so I logged into transactions and saw he went to a bar walking distance from our house. When asked about it, he said he went alone for two drinks and came home. I asked why he didn’t tell me about it in earlier phone call. He said he didn’t want me to get upset in front of kids. He doesn’t go to bars often, but he’ll let me know if he does and he’s usually meeting friends from work I know. I should note it wasn’t a dive bar, or a pub, or a sports bar ( he doesn’t like sports), but a bar that attracts a young college crowd and has "hot" bartenders.
I think it’s very strange behavior to go to this type of bar alone as a married man, especially when I’m out of town and he omitted the fact when he was indirectly questioned about the fact. We don’t drink at home, but I feel like if he really wanted a drink he could have just picked up a six pack. He’ll occasionally go to sports bars with his friends, but he’s still home by 11, when he says he’s going to be home.

So Sep 7th 2023, my mom is visiting and messes up CarPlay, so we have to go through and reconnect my phone, when I see WOMAN’s name phone linked to my car. I question my husband, "I don't know, she is nothing, she's dating another guy from work."
Then a day later he comes up with, "maybe everybody was hanging out in parking lot after work and she connected her phone for music." I tell him I don't buy his story. He's telling me I'm wasting my time because nothing happened and I'm only hurting myself by focusing on this.
I ice him out as much as I can without letting our kids know. I've been badgering him for two weeks after kids go to sleep. Now at 1am, he tells me that they all went to a college bar that she used to work at ( he drove separately). Then the whole group went back to her house where they were drinking. They ran out of booze and since his car ( which is actually mine, his was in the shop) was last in driveway, he let her take my car, inebriated to go pick up more booze. Then he drove home drunk.
That's the story now, which is obviously more plausible than we were all sitting in parking lot after work. It could however be another piece of fiction that he had two weeks to come up with. I feel better now, because it feels like more of a truth, but I'm frustrated he was sitting on this story for two weeks. I'm also really upset that he let someone drive my car, especially drunk. He said that he didn't want to tell me, because he was embarrassed about his behavior. All I ask is for the truth, and honestly his reluctance to give it to me turns me into some kind of obsessive psycho detective, instead of focusing on my kids.
Then at 1pm next day, he tells me that she initially was flirty with him. They were all sitting at table having shift meal, and his coworkers were talking about going out and having casual sex. He then says that he made a little proclamation to everyone, listen I'm married, I have kids, I'll hang out with everybody here, but I don't get involved with anybody. After getting up from table, he said she came over to him and said that she was in the middle of texting her sister to say she was working with a really handsome guy, but now she had to text her sister that he was married. Sounds like she was putting out feelers to see if he was interested. ( and as I found out later, then he ended up drinking at her house later that night).

Naturally, I feel like there are still some truths left be uncovered. One question is: She sent a text to him,…"are you at work". He responds, "no, I'm enjoying my wife's birthday." He could just say no, but when it says " I'm enjoying my wife's birthday," this feels like a bat signal to leave him alone because he's with me. I felt it was such strange answer. She never responds back. Obviously it all feels sketchy, what do you anonymous people think because I'm not yet ready to bring up to family/friends, but I need some advice.

Additionally, I know he’s not open to therapy, hard no. So I was telling him that I want him to watch Youtube videos with me about infidelity and he basically scoffs at it. I’m trying to explain to him that I feel betrayed and it feels like he’s just expecting me to get over it. The first one was the bigger offense, but this latest one that I'm finding out about feels bad too. He seems to think that because it was nothing physical, that it wasn't cheating. Honestly, driving drunk is worse to me than cheating. I also told him that I'm now stuck with the uneasy feeling that there's always a possibility he will cheat. For example, whenever I bring up first girl, he says, "I’ve already forgotten about that." And I never will. When we lived in Puerto Rico and there were beautiful women everywhere, and I was fat and pregnant most of our years spent there, I still never felt like he would cheat on me.
Sorry this is all so long if you've read this far. I appreciate any advice. I just want to tell my mom, and my friends, but they were privy to every detail of the first incident and if I tell them about this now, there's no going back. Their opinion of him will be forever changed.

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 12:53 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2023

He desperately wants to be 25. He knows better. He just will not do better. You know this. What you do with that knowledge is up to you but there is a lot of wisdom on this forum. Pay attention to it.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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annb ( member #22386) posted at 1:25 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2023

Hi, welcome to SI.

Your husband has zero boundaries.

Married men should not be texting women except for their wives, sisters, mom, kids, etc.

Married men should not be out at bars, sorry, call me old fashioned, that's how many of these affairs begin with colleagues socializing with each other after hours. He should keep his job professional at all times.

Obviously it all feels sketchy

^^^It feels sketchy because it is sketchy. Gently, I would not trust a word out of his mouth right now.

Do you still have access to the phone bill? Can you secretly place a tracker or a hidden VAR in his home office or vehicle? Stay vigilant, and please trust your gut because it is screaming right now and it's usually right.

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DeidreE ( new member #83912) posted at 1:51 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2023

My heart hurts for you. I have also been lied to.
This past time I knew who it was, found her address and left a message on her ring doorbell. Her husband also saw.
The next day she called and left a message. I waited until the evening to call her back. Hoping she would sweat a little bit. My H told me she was going through a divorce.
So, I told her I just want to know the truth. She apologized and seemed sincere in her answers. A lot matched up with his aside from we have been arguing and he wasn't happy.
We had been arguing about him messaging other people.
He said she wasn't being truthful and I asked him to prove it but he can't because he deleted everything all of the time.
Why they hide things and can't tell the truth is beyond me.
It does sound like he has more explaining to do. You sound like a fabulous person and mother!

I'm gonna put him in his place
With charm and grace
Elegance and style. -The Films

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Tanner ( Guide #72235) posted at 2:51 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2023

Welcome to SI I'm glad you found us. There is a lot to process right now, this place is full of decades of experience in Surviving Infidelity. I recommend you start by reading the pinned messages above and the healing library on the main page.

Your WH is trickle truthing you (TT), he is only going to give you little pieces of info that you already have. You need to dig deep into bank and CC statements, phone bills, and place a recording device in the car. Do not ever tell him what or how you know something. When you discover something ask a broad question and let him explain.

The best advice i received here was to be willing to lose the M to save it. Be willing to blow it up and expose him. I wish you the best and sorry you had to find us you are safe here.

Dday Sept 7 2019 doing well in R BH M 32 years

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Sick2Death ( member #24681) posted at 3:18 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2023

I’m sorry you find yourself here. Your phone bill likely isn’t telling you the whole story. Especially if you told him you went through the phone bills in the previous instance.

I know this from my own personal experience. He was much smarter the second time using messaging apps that are not on your phone bill like what’s app, Snapchat, fb messenger, instagram, linked in … to name a few. You can also make phone calls through most of these apps and they also do not show up on a phone bill.

My WH did actually go to IC this second time around and is still in it. He has finally had revelations about him not having boundaries. I have not committed still to a future. Figuring this all out can take some of us a long time.

Trust your gut. And hang in there.

Honestly, this OP is in his general proximity daily and it could have escalated to physical. I would get STD testing to be safe. I also would put a device in his car.

Actions speak louder than words and if he doesn’t understand healthy boundaries this likely will not stop.

BS Me 53 WH 55 Married 29 years

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Hurthalo ( member #41782) posted at 9:11 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2023

I'm so sorry you are here. Trust your gut; the accumulation of 'happy little accidents/coincidences' here is frankly, bull$#@t.

As for this,

Additionally, I know he’s not open to therapy, hard no.

....he'd better get open to the idea REAL quick, because anything less is just him rugsweeping and hoping you'll believe his frankly disgustingly transparent lies.

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ThisIsSoLonely ( Guide #64418) posted at 4:35 AM on Wednesday, September 27th, 2023

Please do not take my shortness on this topic as indicative of my lack of concern for you. I AM so sorry you are here. I want to help you snap out of this mindset so you can see more clearly what is likely going on. Your WS is NOT a safe partner for you right now, and may never be. Please take steps to look out for YOU.

I am not one to jump to conclusions but I feel pretty certain your WS is not telling you the truth - not about what happened (or didn't) with the co-worker and certainly not about this:

Now at 1am, he tells me that they all went to a college bar that she used to work at ( he drove separately). Then the whole group went back to her house where they were drinking. They ran out of booze and since his car ( which is actually mine, his was in the shop) was last in driveway, he let her take my car, inebriated to go pick up more booze. Then he drove home drunk.

or this:

They were all sitting at table having shift meal, and his coworkers were talking about going out and having casual sex. He then says that he made a little proclamation to everyone, listen I'm married, I have kids, I'll hang out with everybody here, but I don't get involved with anybody. After getting up from table, he said she came over to him and said that she was in the middle of texting her sister to say she was working with a really handsome guy, but now she had to text her sister that he was married. Sounds like she was putting out feelers to see if he was interested. ( and as I found out later, then he ended up drinking at her house later that night).

I mean seriously, the whole group went back to her house? Any proof of that? Like any at all? Then he follows up with this other story that took place earlier, indicating he is the 'good married guy" that this young woman thinks is hot but he told her there was no chance so it's okay that he then went to her house later???

I'm sorry, this sounds like the lamest cover up ever. I have no idea what your WS actually did but I'm pretty sure he didn't do what he told you.

Hurthalo said it best:

I'm so sorry you are here. Trust your gut; the accumulation of 'happy little accidents/coincidences' here is frankly, bull$#@t.

As for this,

Additionally, I know he’s not open to therapy, hard no.

....he'd better get open to the idea REAL quick, because anything less is just him rugsweeping and hoping you'll believe his frankly disgustingly transparent lies.

You are the only person you are guaranteed to spend the rest of your life with. Act accordingly.

Constantly editing posts: usually due to sticky keys on my laptop or additional thoughts

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 12:31 PM on Wednesday, September 27th, 2023

I am so sorry for you. Your husband appears to be having some type of midlife crisis and desperately wants to be the "cool" boss.

I was in your situation w/ my H’s last affair. She was 29 and single. He was turning 50. I’m just surprised he didn’t go out and get a tattoo (she was covered in them).

And like you, it was not my H’s first affair.

And like you, I learned my H was the one who started the affair. He approached her in a bar. Hired her to work for him (remote). I think you get the idea.

And my H was planning to D me to be with the OW.

My H was very flirty and I used to watch women fall all over him. I was never jealous because I had no reason to be. Or so I thought.

After his last affair it all came crashing down around him. And I finally stopped being a doormat and stood up for myself. I was forced on dday2 to recognize EXACTLY who and what I was married to.

And I was forced to tell him I had no more options and was D him. I did the very hard 180. I turned my back on him. I stopped being his wife and mostly stopped speaking to him. He was begging me to R and I refused.

I had an exit strategy and plan B was now being executed. Why? Because I lived your situation and watched as my H refused to admit to emotional affairs that I know occurred. He refused to be honest about any of it. Gaslit me. Stonewalled me. Lied to me.

Dday2 of affair 2 he saw a side of me he never expected. He could not sweet talk his way out if it. He had to face 20 years of crap he put me through.

But…..we have happily R. And he knows I will D him in a second. In the last 10 years he has changed and women no longer are flirty. He doesn’t go to bars or hang out with co-workers any longer. He recognizes his past behavior was wrong.

But I my b/c I kicked him to the curb and stood my ground. It took him a solid year to convince me to R and give the marriage another chance.

I suggest in your case your H is lying — telling the do-workers how you are an evil witch if a wife while he’s the cool guy who’s into partying and hanging out. You are living in a very toxic marriage and sadly your H doesn’t seem to want to change.

If you have a conversation w/ him and he refuses to stop this nonsense of texting w/ the young women and hanging out with this group of co-workers, he’s disrespectful to you and the marriage.

Like my H, if he refuses to stop this behavior then you are living with a lying cheating selfish jerk who really doesn’t care about you.

And it’s up to you as to how long you will put up with it. I was fully prepared to D my H.

That was the only thing that worked in getting him to recognize his poor choices. Everything else I tried didn’t work. It went in one ear and out the other.

Looking back — I should have D him after the first EA he had that he refused to admit to.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 11 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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