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hikingout ( member #59504) posted at 9:16 PM on Monday, March 4th, 2024

I mean that probably wouldn’t be the first book I would recommend to a new bs. It’s a helpful book for anyone, but I think it should be required reading for most ws.

I can understand your trepidation if you misused resources in the past, but self help is the best kind of help, and all ws need it.

I think it might be helpful to look at a a why here in order to see what I am saying.

Were you always selfish, or moreso around the time of your affair? I had been very selfless, always doing for him and our kids and abandoning my needs to placing them on low priority. I have come to see that my unselfishness and selfishness came from the same place. There was a hole I was trying to fill.

If you relate to that, perhaps it might help to say, what do you think this hole was? Do you think that you have always carried shame in the past and it’s only amplified by the affair?

The reason I am asking is because I think this book led me to one of my whys. Low self esteem, feeling this inherent shame that always meant I had to hustle to keep love. It grew into resentment.

And it might not be the same for you, but I think most ws are avoidant, avoiding trying to feel rejection or abandonment.

What I learned from this book is I wanted connection badly, our whole marriage, but I put up the obstacles to being in a vulnerable space with him.

The reason I recommend it is because that shame that is now amplified in you, it keeps the barrier up. It keeps you from being able to sit without being defensive and some of the other behaviors you describe having. Rising strong is a book about being brave enough to show up in moments of connection, and ways to communicate that are vulnerable and honest.

I am not offended if you don’t want to read the book. My larger concern is that the work that you need to do on yourself- you are seeing it as selfish. The reality is if you don’t fix these things you will not be as successful of a rebuilder. And our longest relationship is with ourselves, it impacts all our other relationships.

A successful rebuilder needs to shed their shame. Shame is a barrier. I realize that not everyone cheated for the same reasons I did. But realizing shame created my perfectionism, avoidance, lack of vulnerability, defensiveness, and much of the ways I acted out. And after the affair this was only bigger.

And, make no mistake about it - part of your healing is working towards self compassion. Self compassion and self love is how we can be brave. It frees up our big feelings about what we did and makes space for our spouse’s pain and needs. Shame is what keeps us in our head, it’s what causes trickle truth, and other false ways we self protect. It allows us instead to truly invest in ourselves in a healthy way so that we have it to give others.

Our relationship with self is reflected in every relationship we ever have. And you absolutely have to take time to heal and that is not selfish. It is normal to mistake what needs to happen as selfish. But investing in becoming a healthier person is not the same kind of selfishness you had in having an affair.

You sound down. I am not trying to add tothe pressure here, but shame and navel gazing is not what will ultimately get you where you need to go. It’s a paralyzing emotion. Part of the journey is changing from negative thinking to positive, hopeful thinking. Right now I understand nothing feels hopeful. It’s normal to feel that way, but you must resist staying there because nothing can grow.

I wish there was an easier way, but right now it’s in the opposite place you are looking. I say this with great love and understanding, you are worth it. You are divinely loved unconditionally, and you can become anyone you want to be. Ne a rebuilder, don’t settle to live in this space you previously built.

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SkipThumelue ( member #82934) posted at 6:31 PM on Thursday, March 7th, 2024

I just wanted to second what HO said about shame and navel-gazing. Shame was something I struggled mightily with during my initial year of IC. It can end up derailing progress and tearing down all the positives that have already been built up.

It sounds insane, especially early on as we gaze around at the rubble we made, but gradually working toward healthy self-forgiveness is essential for recovery. I was really stuck in my own mud rut for about 6 months before I was able to start loving and forgiving myself.

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 PleaseBeFixable (original poster member #84306) posted at 6:05 PM on Friday, March 8th, 2024

Thank you. That all makes sense. I've used an Audible credit for the book, though I'm not sure if I'm ready to listen to it yet.

Were you always selfish, or moreso around the time of your affair? I had been very selfless, always doing for him and our kids and abandoning my needs to placing them on low priority. I have come to see that my unselfishness and selfishness came from the same place. There was a hole I was trying to fill.

Sadly, I think I have always been selfish with him. I had a martyr complex with parenting and used that to feel entitled to that selfishness with him. I can see what you're saying about them coming from the same hole though.

I wanted connection badly, our whole marriage, but I put up the obstacles to being in a vulnerable space with him.

Definitely this for me too.

The reason I recommend it is because that shame that is now amplified in you, it keeps the barrier up. It keeps you from being able to sit without being defensive and some of the other behaviors you describe having.

I can see this for sure. I think one of my hangups is that my BH sees this kind of work as selfish or letting myself off the hook. But I guess being more worried about this perception than about doing the work I actually need to do is part of the problem.

You sound down. I am not trying to add tothe pressure here, but shame and navel gazing is not what will ultimately get you where you need to go. It’s a paralyzing emotion. Part of the journey is changing from negative thinking to positive, hopeful thinking. Right now I understand nothing feels hopeful. It’s normal to feel that way, but you must resist staying there because nothing can grow.

I wish there was an easier way, but right now it’s in the opposite place you are looking. I say this with great love and understanding, you are worth it. You are divinely loved unconditionally, and you can become anyone you want to be. Ne a rebuilder, don’t settle to live in this space you previously built.

Thank you so much for this.

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hikingout ( member #59504) posted at 9:18 PM on Friday, March 8th, 2024

It’s fine, take your time on the book.

Yes, early on the bs can very much misinterpret what work you should be doing versus what work you are doing.

It’s just part of it. Their pain is so big they need to feel like you are going to address it. Many think it has to do with the relationship and want to go straight into fixing the relationship. But what led you here was you as an individual. You have to fix that individual.

But definitely make sure you are still empathizing with him and trying to anticipate his needs and triggers. You are being honest with him, you are doing therapy, and you are here trying. That counts for a lot. Just keep going. You are very smart and I think introspective and some of his rollercoaster you can’t really manage, it’s just there and will continue to be for some time. It takes a while to see what you should internalize from it and what you shouldn’t. And when it comes to doing work on yourself, that part is a shouldn’t internalize. The more you understand yourself the better you can explain your actions, exhibit self control, and be stronger for both of you.

Keep posting, you are not alone.

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 PleaseBeFixable (original poster member #84306) posted at 4:57 PM on Tuesday, March 12th, 2024

Thank you. I'll keep posting.

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hikingout ( member #59504) posted at 5:12 PM on Tuesday, March 12th, 2024

I also noticed that you took a lot from daddy don’s post. If you are looking for other resources I am not sure if you checked out the healing library on the left side of the screen.

I got a lot from the articles for the bs as well as the ones for the ws.

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 PleaseBeFixable (original poster member #84306) posted at 9:57 PM on Thursday, March 14th, 2024

Thank you! I've looked a little bit.

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