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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 9:01 PM on Monday, December 16th, 2024

See a dr about chronic depression. Meds for that.
See a therapist who deals in traumas.
Get an outdoor hobby. Running, hiking, biking, woodworking, the list is endless. You do.not.need.your.wife.for.happiness. Make your own.
Talk to an atty about financial stuff.
Find a group of men who are bs. They will give you some suggestions and support.
You have stuck yourself in a rut. Stop doing that. Just climb out. Go about your life with this one thought front and center…IT IS THE ONLY ONE YOU WILL HAVE! Fix it. You have the ability.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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kenny55 ( member #23014) posted at 11:54 PM on Monday, December 16th, 2024

Your children probably will be happier once you divorce. My daughter said she could not wait till we divorced. You might be sending the wrong message to them by staying? They are better off seeing a healthy father. They probably already have decided their mother is messed up as mine did. Also, I know a lot about being a victim. If you see yourself as a victim you will always be stuck. I had a drawing on my wall once. It was of sheep in a pasture. They had been trained to walk thru a gate by their keeper. There was not any fencing in the picture and the 1,000 's of sheep would only go thru the gate one or two at a time to exit. They were the only ones holding themselves back.

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 2:38 PM on Tuesday, December 17th, 2024

Friend – I feel a need to preface this by stating I am truly trying to help you.

I absolutely HATE it when posters come here and rant/whine/complain about the terrible situation they are forced to be in. Usually with some reason or excuse about how this is their destiny and there is no other option. Very often it’s "the kids", but you can also see finances, family... all sorts of reasons.
Look – if you decide to remain where you are feeling miserable, with no attempt to change it, well... go ahead and be miserable. Don’t expect changes, and any amount of whining won’t make anything better. But if you want change – if you want improvement – it will only come once YOU take action and make changes.

You insist you need to remain in your marriage, and – IMHO – use your daughter as your excuse.

I challenge that...
I think you will end up like all the others that say they are only there for the kids, until the last kid leaves, and then they find another "good" excuse...

I am 100% certain you can find all sorts of studies indicating it’s best for kids as far as family is concerned to be raised in a conventional father/mother environment, preferably in a neighborhood with like-minded, comparable income and even same race and religion, where the parents show mutual respect and caring to each other and to the children. Second best is probably some combination of the above, with some leeway on diversity where the parents show mutual respect and caring to each other and to the children. Third best is possibly a single-parent/shared custody arrangement where the parents show mutual respect to each other and to the children. Somewhere way below that you will probably find divorced parents who do NOT show mutual respect to each other, and at the bottom possibly a father/mother environment with abuse and no respect.

I am also fairly certain that a mixed-race, same-sex couple of different faiths living in a commune with people of all sorts, creeds, nations and sexuality can create the ideal family-environment for their children, as long as the parents show each other and the children respect and caring.

The common thread through the "best" situations is respect and caring. Much more than diversity or social status.

While checking the above out, you can also search for the impact of family-of-origin on relationship choices. We have a tendency to seek what we know, and to expect what we have seen. Women from abusive families tend to find abusive husbands, alcoholic families tend to find alcoholics...

Your kids... they are modeling their future relationships and expectations on what they see at home...

Chances are its too late for your older kids, but the youngest one – the one you are "protecting" and using as your reason to remain in misery... She’s learning that dad’s aren’t supposed to be happy, marriages are supposed to be confrontational and misery, and that there is no need for her to feel positive towards her future partner...

Think she hasn’t noticed you no longer wear the ring? That you don’t sleep together? Don’t think she’s heard the arguments and quarrels? Don’t think the kids talk together? No rumors? Really think they don’t know what’s going on?

IMHO the best you can do for your kids is to show that when you are kicked down to the ground and trodden on, you recover, stand up and move on.

Not saying you need to divorce. But you have to demand change.
Both from you, from HER and the marriage.

You state in another post that your WW plans to rugsweep and go back to the marriage. You also state her IC encouraged her to lie. You also talk about how negative this is all making you. How you have told her you plan to divorce once the youngest reaches some maturity (unclear on what that is – college? 18? Joins the Army?).

I’m going to encourage you to take a stance...
You have numerous options. Maybe not great or good options, but options to move your from misery to less misery, to less misery and eventually to content and even happiness.

I can make some suggestions:
Like... tell your wife that you are going to divorce once the youngest reaches a certain age, and whatever relationship you two have until then is purely functional. Don’t expect her to have any wifely functions, nor you as husband. This is purely functional to create an environment for your daughter. One of you moves into the guest-bedroom and you reach an agreement about how and whom you can date (if needed). Spend the time until D moves out to clean up finances and to facilitate whenever D is finalized. Then accept that she does whatever she does. Be that date the coach or go out all weekends or whatever. After all – this is only a relationship of convenience.

Like... Tell her that it’s best you two divorce and find the best way to do that while still being the best coparents possible. Use professional help (IC) to guide you, your wife and your kids through this process.

Like... Tell her how all that has happened has completely emotionally emasculated you and left you an angry wreck. How you don’t want to be that way and/or feel that way. That for NOW and probably the next six months you are purely focusing on YOU and your personal recovery. There is no focus whatsoever from you on the marriage. She can do whatever she wants, but what she does will show you DIRECTLY what your options might be when you feel personally stronger. Like... she CAN have her affairs and fool around if that’s what she wants, but in doing so she’s letting you know she doesn’t want you. She could help your recovery with assurance about her fidelity, but it would only be to help you decide your next step six months from now.


These are just ideas. Just something that IMHO sounds a lot better than remaining unhappy by reasons of yourself, alone.

Friend – I realize change is tough, and that nothing I suggest is easy. But there really is nothing easy about infidelity.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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1994 ( member #82615) posted at 3:05 PM on Tuesday, December 17th, 2024

Speaking as the child of a serial adulterer. Them living together was extremely uncomfortable for me, and I didn't really feel safe anywhere. Even when they were not actively fighting, I could still feel the tension and went out of my way to avoid them. Every time I wanted to spend time with one, the other would take some kind of offense as though my choice was based on the shortcomings of the one not selected. It was years later, as an adult with a family of my own, that I began to realize just how unhealthy that dynamic is for a child.

They divorced, and while bouncing back and forth between two very different households was not fun, it was far less uncomfortable for me.

My advice for you is to not worry about your children. Kids are resilient. They will adapt. Girls, especially, tend to be more intuitive about stuff like this. I'd wager they know you're not happy, and as teenagers should have enough wherewithal to know you did all you could to provide a typical home life for them. I'd bet they won't hold it against you.

The finances, however, are almost never as bad as you imagine them to be. If you know the ultimate result--namely that you're going to leave--then rip off the bandaid and do it so you can get started on the rest of your life.

You may have addressed this at some point in the past, so forgive me if it's been addressed, but is the POSOM likely to come sniffing around once she's single? While they ultimately shouldn't matter when it comes to you divorcing your WW, it's certainly understandable as A factor. But it shouldn't be the only factor.

Stay strong.

[This message edited by 1994 at 1:48 AM, Thursday, December 19th]

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