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Wife cheating on me and still in contact with AP

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lrpprl ( member #80538) posted at 4:51 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

Early on when you first posted here, several others including myself mentioned doing the 180. The 180 is not about punishment, nor is it about manipulating her to choose you over her lover. It is about you taking charge of your life again.

In case you never bothered to read it, here is the list again. Where she remains in an affair... cake eating... this is the perfect tool for you to use now.
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... Don't pursue reason, chase, beg, plead or implore.

... No frequent phone calls.

... Don't point out "good points" in marriage.

... Don't follow her/him around the house.

... Don't encourage or initiate discussion about the future.

... Don't ask for help from the family members of your WS.

... Don't ask for reassurances.

... Don't buy or give gifts.

... Don't schedule dates together.

... Don't keep saying, "I Love You!" Because if you have a brain in your head, he/she is, at this particular moment, not very lovable.

... Do more then act as if you are moving on with your life; begin moving on with your life!

... Be cheerful, strong, outgoing and independent.

... Don't sit around waiting on your spouse - get busy, do things, go out with friends, enjoy old hobbies, find new ones! But stay busy!

... When home with your spouse, (if you usually start the conversation) be scarce or short on words. Don't push any issue. No matter how much you want to!

... If you're in the habit of asking your spouse his/her whereabouts, ASK NOTHING. Seem totally uninterested.

... Your partner needs to believe that you have awakened to the fact that "they (the WS)" are serious concerning their assertions as to the future (or lack there of) of your marriage. Thus, you are moving on with your life with or with out them!

... Don't be nasty, angry or even cold - Just pull yourself back. Don't always be so available for anything! Your spouse will notice. More important, he/she will notice that you're missing.

... No matter what you are feeling TODAY, only show your spouse happiness and contentment. Make yourself be someone they would want to be around. Not a moody, needy, pathetic individual, but a self assured individual secure in the knowledge that they have value.

... All questions about the marriage should be put on hold, until your spouse wants to talk about it (which may not be for quite a while). Initiate no such conversation!

... Do not allow yourself to lose your temper. No yelling, screaming or name calling EVER. No show of temper! Be cool, act cool; be in control of the only thing you can control... YOURSELF!

... Don't be overly enthusiastic.

... Do not argue when they tell you how they feel (it only makes their feelings stronger). In fact, refuse to argue at all!

... Be patient and learn to not only listen carefully to what your spouse is really saying to you. HEAR what it is that they are saying! Listen and then listen some more!

... Learn to back off, keep your mouth shut, and walk away when you want to speak out; no matter what the provocation. No one ever got themselves into trouble by keeping their mouth shut and just not saying anything.

... Take care of you. Exercise, sleep, laugh, & focus on all the other parts of your life that are not in turmoil.

... Be strong, confident and learn to speak softly.

... Know that if you can do this 180, your smallest CONSISTENT action will be noticed far more than any words you can say or write.

... Do not be openly desperate or needy even when you are hurting more than ever and you are feeling totally desperate and needy.

... Do not focus on yourself when communicating with your spouse. It's not always about you! More to the point, at present they just don't care about you at all!

... Do not believe any of what you hear them say and less than 50% of what you see. Your spouse will speak in absolute negatives and do so in the most strident tones imaginable. Try to remember that they are also hurting and afraid. Try to remember that they know what they are doing is wrong and so they will say anything they can to justify their behavior.

... Do not give up no matter how dark it is or how bad you feel. It "ain't over till it's over!"

... Do not backslide from your hard earned changes. Remain consistent! It is the consistency of action and attitude that delivers the message.

... When expressing your dissatisfaction with the actions of the wayward party, never be judgmental, critical or express moral outrage. Always explain that your dissatisfaction is due to the pain that the acts being committed are causing you as a person.

... This is the kind of behavior that will cause you to be a much more attractive and mysterious individual.

... Further it SHOWS that you are NOT afraid to move on with your life.

... Still even more important, it will burst their positive little bubble; the one in which they believe that they can always come back to you in case things don't work out with the OM/OW.
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Brlywtr, if you can implement most of these actions, and show good Emotional Intelligence while doing it, by keeping your emotions to yourself, you will show her that you are an Alpha male who is deserving of her respect. Each time she thinks of him, or talks to him, or has sex with him, she is showing the utmost Contempt and Disrespect to you.

You deserve better.

[This message edited by lrpprl at 9:20 PM, Wednesday, December 20th]

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 Brlywtr (original poster new member #84263) posted at 6:08 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

I'm not going to lie, I have had suicidal thoughts, but I am not about to act on it.

I feel like I have been trying the 180 I really do, but after speaking to the guy today on the phone,e and my wife need to talk about it tonight. We have to, we have to process it

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Jajaynumb ( member #83674) posted at 6:26 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

It’s not uncommon to have suicidal thoughts. The depth of betrayal is immense. I felt the same and ended up going missing last year because I was in crisis. Don’t do that. It’s why I would advise to remove yourself from the situation if things get too much.

I’m in the UK if you need to talk to someone. Just let me know.

https://library.survivinginfidelity.com/topics/661294/worse-than-hell-yes-its-all-true/

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 Brlywtr (original poster new member #84263) posted at 6:35 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

That would be amazing to have someone to talk to. Would be up for WhatsApp? Can you private message me?

Thank you so much

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Jajaynumb ( member #83674) posted at 6:37 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

Yes ofcourse. Here’s my number:

I’ll delete it later

[This message edited by Jajaynumb at 6:44 PM, Wednesday, December 20th]

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tushnurse ( member #21101) posted at 6:40 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

Red Flag alert.
Do NOT have any further conversations with her until you are able to record them. Get a VAR and keep it on you 100% of the time.
The guy said he felt threatened or that you were threatening. This will bleed over to your spouse as well. And she is also being pushed into a corner she is not who you believe her to be. So don't say she would never.....she will. And there have been many betrayed men on here alone that have had false DV claims made against them. A VAR protects you and your future.

Me: FBSHim: FWSKids: 23 & 27 Married for 32 years now, was 16 at the time.D-Day Sept 26 2008R'd in about 2 years. Old Vet now.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 7:08 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

Please stop saying you don't want to blow up the family. She has done that. She's responsible..not you.

Also..as tushnurse said, get a var,and keep it on you at all times. Based on his response,she's told him you are abusive. Wayward wives are notorious for bringing false dv charges.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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InkHulk ( member #80400) posted at 7:27 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

If you are dealing with suicidal thoughts, please please please take that seriously. Do what you need to keep yourself safe. Gently, you don’t sound like you are in any state to put on a brave face and pretend to have a merry Christmas. You are telling us you are at your end, and that makes sense, you are dealing with an immense crisis, you probably don’t even fully appreciate the scale of it yet. You are not the bad guy if this holiday is different. Your wife shot you and you are bleeding out, don’t apologize for staining the carpet. Stop the bleeding, for your sake, and for your kids.

Really pulling for you.

People are more important than the relationships they are in.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 7:46 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

Your life is precious. It's more than this terrible thing that woman has done. You are worth more.

She didn't cheat because of anything you did, or didn't do. Something is fundamentally wrong with her..not you.

You have children who need you. They need at least one good parent, who puts their well being first. You are that parent. She is proving she doesn't truly care about them,or their happiness and security.

You have to be strong. If you can't do it for yourself,you must do it for them. They are depending on you.

Right now,you are drowning in pain. This site, these members, are throwing you a life preserver. We will be your anchor. We've got you. You are not alone.

You will be ok. I know it doesn't seem like it. But you will be. I promise you that.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 7:49 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

You need to do a thorough background check on this man. Does he have a record?

Predators like to prey on women with small children. They use the mom to gain access to the kids. You need to find out everything you can about this man.

Im not saying your wife us a victim. She's a grown woman. She knows what she's doing. I'm saying you need to make sure your kids don't become victims.

Find your anger. It will help pull you out of the sadness. Anger gets things done.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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farsidejunky ( member #49392) posted at 8:03 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

Please inform your wife that "No" is a complete sentence.

I've done the speech and this is where I've ended up

She wants to continue contact whilst also saying she doesn't know what she wants.

She wants the security of our home and family life with the affair still going on. Cake and eat it etc.

After implementing the speech and her still wanting to contact him, what do I do next? How do I act round the house? Where do we go from here?

“Never make someone a priority when all you are to them is an option.”

-Maya Angelou

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 Brlywtr (original poster new member #84263) posted at 8:37 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

I have no way of checking this guy? All I know is he has a grown up kids from a previous relationship, has no home of his own.

What a future for my beautiful children. In the UK can you get court orders to stop your spouse having a new partner around the children for a certain period of time, say 12 months?

Is that possible in UK law, and how easy is it to enforce?

I obviously don't care if that order is reciprocated against me as well.

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swoned ( member #54719) posted at 8:55 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

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What a future for my beautiful children.

Brly, I'd bet this OM is promising the world and telling your WW everything she wants to hear. She is probably doing the same to him. It's a fantasy world and a fantasy future built on a foundation of lies.

The reality is, the moment she asks him for commitment and your D becomes a real tangible thing--- he'll probably run for the hills. I very much doubt he'll stick around and try to be involved in your kids lives.

Source: My EX too had lengthy detailed discussions about the future, which included strategies to introduce AP as a happy accident and "mommy found new love" to the kids after the divorce, which he was fully on board with.... Only, once the D was settled, and my ex inquired about moving forward... suddenly there was all sorts of logistical problems, delays, excuses, and .... then the discovery that he was "cheating" on her too.

One of the most satisfying moments post divorce was when she called me crying about how he had a new girlfriend and that she had thrown away everything and destroyed her family and hurt her children and had nothing to show for it. All i could say was that she was told all along that would happen but didn't want to listen, and she'd get nu sympathy from me.

edditting to add: I say this not to dissuade you from gathering info and background (which you absolutely should do), but rather to offer you some respite from the pain of the unknown future

[This message edited by swoned at 9:08 PM, Wednesday, December 20th]

D-Day 6/22/16Ended in Divorce 07/02/18Remarried.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 9:00 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

Your attorney can run a background check.

You can also use sites like TruthFinder, that will give you a ton of information.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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InkHulk ( member #80400) posted at 9:11 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

I think concerns for your kids should drive you to a lawyer. You can tell your wife that you expect her to keep AP away from the kids, but she won’t be bound to it. You could also tell her that you are going to document all instances of her bringing them around AP. That would be a bluff, but she might get spooked by it for a few days to buy you time. If you have legit concerns, you need to get the law involved.

People are more important than the relationships they are in.

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 Brlywtr (original poster new member #84263) posted at 9:58 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

I don't have specific concerns that he will hurt them or is a wrongun, but I just don't want my kids having another male dad presence in their lives immediately.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 10:22 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

If he has 2 adult children, he's at least in his 40's. Healthy,well adjusted men that age typically don't live with their parents,unless one of them is ill and he is caring for them,or the parents live with him,in his own house.

Here in the states,sex offenders have to be on a registry. They often have trouble finding a place they can live. I don't know if they have the same registry in the UK.

Here,there are several sites we can visit,to search out sex offenders, by using their address. I imagine something similar is readily available in the UK.

You don't know what you don't know. The more info you find on the guy,the better.

Chek his address.

It's also very understandable that you don't want a father figure living in the same house as your children.

Most men want to use the married woman for sex. They choose a married woman,because they know they don't have to committ to her. Once he realizes she's making plans for them to be together, and there are kids in that package, chances are he will run away.

Nothing will be happening anytime soon. Filing for divorce doesn't mean you have to leave the marital home. It's best that you don't. Otherwise a judge could look at it as you abandoning the kids. If she wants to go,there's nothing you can do about it. But she can't just remove the kids from their home. Your attorney can ask the judge to stop that.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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RealityBlows ( member #41108) posted at 11:10 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

I totally get trying to get through the holidays without drama and trauma. That’s an excellent plan.

Christmas is only a few days away and that is totally doable.

I wanted to second Hellfire’s and Tushnurse’s comments-VERY IMPORTANT. You, YOU are not the one blowing shit up. That’s all on her.

Not only do you want to get through the holidays without drama and trauma, you should also aim to get through this entire process without drama and trauma. That’s the beauty of The Bigger Speech. If you follow Bigger’s approach, you will remain in a position of poise, grace, tact and class and, you come out the bigger person.

You don’t engage with the AP, ever. He is beneath you. Only indifference for him.

You only engage with your WS when absolutely necessary, with tact, calm, control, in a very professional, matter-of-fact manner.

It’s a matter-of-fact that you are heading away from infidelity, directly, steadily and assuredly.

Remember this, you will need to tender a coparenting relationship with your WS, so don’t do anything foolish or rash to jeopardize that. No unnecessary antagonism or acrimony.

If you proceed with divorce, you want to negotiate best terms as amicably as possible. You want to take advantage of her short sighted, affair fog state, when she’s not really thinking clearly, rationally. Again, no unnecessary antagonism. Stay cool like Fonzi.

You also want to avoid false DV or false child endangerment accusations, so play it cool. Don’t do or say anything stupid that can be used against you. Stay in control.

I also advise maintaining a presence in your home and in your children’s life routine. You can do this while maintaining The 180. Just avoid unnecessary contact with your spouse. Don’t kick her out of the house and don’t kick yourself out. Usually, the WS feels extremely uncomfortable in the family home and will try and be with their AP as much as possible. Just resign yourself to roommate status. Sleep on opposite sides of the house, take turns watching over the kids. Make it easy for her to stay with AP, if she insists on being with AP.

If you two handle this amicably and maturely, with poise, control, tact, class, you should be able to get through all this with a very significant reduction in trauma to your children, and…

with best possible terms divorce settlement.

Then, you can start planning the next promising chapter of your long life, you and your kids. I went through everything you are going through now, and I’m remarried to a beautiful loving woman, and my entire family is doing very well.

[This message edited by RealityBlows at 11:50 PM, Wednesday, December 20th]

"If nothing in life matters, then all that matters is what we do."

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skerzoid ( member #55962) posted at 11:14 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

My wife's mother was widowed at 36 with seven children. She is now 96 after being married again and widowed again.

My mother (mother of 4) lost my father to a heart attack when he was 47 and she was 42. She was devastated.

My mother passed at 84. She was married twice more and was a great mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother to 3 families. She said the last marriage was the best!

My point is that you are young and you have a life ahead of you (maybe 2). You have to suck it up and get to work. Learn your lessons, and move on. Stop being so hard on yourself.

You both have to co-parent. Be a great Dad (but not a pushover).

Hell, you're YOUNG. You may have other children ahead of you.

Get going now. You have at least two-thirds of your life left ahead of you. It's going to be a great adventure!

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ChamomileTea ( Moderator #53574) posted at 11:22 PM on Wednesday, December 20th, 2023

I don't have specific concerns that he will hurt them or is a wrongun, but I just don't want my kids having another male dad presence in their lives immediately.

That's a completely valid response, and not just through the lens of a distraught BS, but in terms of what is best for the children. A family dividing can be very traumatic for kids. Further, parents have the right to determine morality issues surrounding appropriate messaging regarding social and religious issues. You shouldn't feel badly for demanding that the children's wellbeing is top priority.

BW: 2004(online EAs), 2014 (multiple PAs); Married 40 years; in R with fWH for 10

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